Pfhorrest wrote:Just checked out the updated S'pht Happens, and the updated combat is great!
Glad you like it!
Pfhorrest wrote:I notice that K'halin has been removed from the map though (the unarmed S'pht who speaks to you in the first terminal; that was him in the room, as seen in the terminal pic which is a screenshot of him in the room).
There's also an untextured wall on the way down the stairs from that first room now. I'm not sure how that happened.
And it seems like the Defenders on that level are the ones you have labelled as Kr above, though I understand you made the modified shapes after making the level. Still, I guess that needs an update. (Unless I just can't tell the different shades of orange apart? They look bright orange in game to me, not orange-brown).
Hm, I didn't remove any monsters. There was one unarmed S'pht in a room on the way down, and two in the central room on the ground floor. Are you sure he didn't just wander off and get killed? A few iterations ago I had a bunch of doors to prevent S'pht from wandering off, I could put those back in.
The untextured wall is leftover from the doors I put in and then removed, don't worry it'll be restored. Just didn't have time for that at the moment I posted.
The ones in the windows are the old Mnr, brown with green bolts. It's entirely possible you see reds and oranges differently than I, there are three different possible normal configurations of the human red cone cell.
Pfhorrest wrote:I am thinking more about what colors to assign to what clan though, not that I want to ask you to redo the work. If we're going to actually use five of them, then I would like those five to be the five primary colors used throughout Eternal: grey, orange, green, azure, and magenta. Not necessarily pure chromas of those, but those hues, so e.g. the orange can be an orange brown, the azure can be pale sky blue, etc.
You make a case for Mnr being sky blue canonically, so let's stick with that.
I had originally imagined it was the 'Kr fighting the 'Mnr on S'pht'ia etc as I could swear that was the war canonically, but if sources say that it was 'Shr fighting 'Mnr, then maybe 'Shr should be the orange/brown color since it's opposite the 'Mnr sky blue. Which you already have them, so that's good.
Of the remaining colors, I think grey would most befit the 'Kr, even though we don't see them like that in M2/Infinity. It's been a thousand years by then, things could have changed.
Yor and Lhar would then be the magenta and green ones. Since you already have Yor as purple, I would make Lhar the green ones. And maybe a darker, more military green?
We don't have slots for all of the rest, but for chromatic balance I would speculate that the remaining six clans be the hues between the four we're using (so yellow-chartreuse 75, spring-cyan 165, blue-purple 255, and rose-red 345) plus black and white. One CLUT slot is stuck as black because of the Nightmares, and then we could use an opposite pair out of those other colors, like maybe the yellow-chartreuse and rose-red which are closest to the orange that defines the S'pht aesthetic. Not that we're planning on using them, I guess, but... if you just want to be complete like this?
ETA: Defenders are also featured in Chapter 2, a thousand years in the future, so that's something to keep in mind through all this too. They are nominally all S'pht'Kr (and all are Major monsters on the map because that's the slot I had assigned to S'pht'Kr). So maybe the two slots that are not the five we have in the past and the black for the nightmares should be the vibrant orange and blue that we see of the S'pht'Kr in M2/Infinity (instead of those two colors we're not planning on using I described above), and there should be some mix of both flavors in the Chapter 2 maps that feature them?
So:
Standard orange minor 'Kr
Standard blue major 'Kr
Grey 'Kr from the past
Sky-blue 'Mnr
Orange-brown 'Shr
Purple 'Yor
Green 'Lhar
Nightmare black
I like the idea of using the Eternal scheme! I'll work on that tomorrow. To correct your history, The Mnr and Lhar fought each other, not the Shr. You aren't wrong in that the Mnr also attacked the Kr, but S'boath held the Kr back from retaliating.
So, Lhar should be orange or brown, not Shr. Lhar has a sort of royal status as the eldest clan, so I think the classic orange befits them better than the brown. To keep things easier to tell apart, I would like to do one red, but if you would rather do brown, it's your scenario!
Civil war:
Mnr - Sky blue - attacks Lhar and Kr
Hra - M2/∞ Blue - attacks Lhar
Lhar - Classic Orange or Dark Brown - attacks Mnr and Hra
Kr - Grey - Only fires if fired upon
Pfhor War:
Mnr - Sky blue
Lhar - Classic Orange or Dark Brown
Yor - Purple
Shr - Military green
Kah - Black
Yra - Dark Brown or M2/∞ Red
Future:
Minor - Classic Orange or M2/∞ Red
Major - M2/∞ Blue