Second Quest

[irons]

I was only half-joking. It does feel more cramped and "busy." I was just pointing out that the original was a barren trash heap.

[RyokoTK]

Well yeah, but there is a basis for his claims.

[irons]

I agree. I didn't really like how the new level felt. Done.

[herecomethej2000]

are you suggesting It should be replaced?

[irons]

No. It's actually kind of nice in its own way, but it's just not my kind of level. I never liked the original that much and I don't particularly like the remake.

[RyokoTK]

The new level is satisfactory.

I have issues with screamingfool's architecture as a whole, but they're personal issues and not really objective, technical faults. King of Pain is a good map, and I like how it plays, but it feels a little more cluttered than before. I think it's a solid remake that doesn't need a second effort.

[irons]

Exactly. Second Quest is beyond reproach.

[kineticturtle]

THIRD QUEST

[screamingfool]

i admit it, i've been infidelous but baby, hear me out. i never meant to hurt you

i've never been a fan of arenas because;
1) i suck playing them so i don't understand what the draw is and therefore cant do a straight up arena justice.
2) even when arenas are passable there is less emphasis on skilled playing

so while keeping a large central battle field i put as many ins and outs as possible as well as fighting room around the perimiter so encounters there don't simply fall to who is most armed or has their back turned momentarily. i also tried to make those areas distinct so a player can orient immediately from spawning or teleporting as well as to provide some substance for attack and evasion based on the surrounding architecture.

i know it kinda breaks the tradition of it being a simple arena but i deliberately made it simple enough to be played exactly the same if players want yet complex enough to offer a little more strategy for players who want that.

take me back wont you, you know i'll do it again but it'll be worth it. i promise

[irons]

THIRD QUEST

LOCH

[herecomethej2000]

You know what I think would have made King of Pain better (the remake) would be if it were perportionaly larger. Take evrey thing and make it a little bigger, not by too much mind you, then it wouldnt feel as clutered. The origional was huge and you felt open and free where as the new one is a little clausterphobic. Mind you I am not nieve as to how much work that would actually mean. Infact It would mean redoing the whole stupid map. but thats my two cents

[epstein]

You know what I think would have made King of Pain better (the remake) would be if it were perportionaly larger.

Now THAT is some functionality that I want... I don't think JUICE can do this yet, but is it possible? To be specific: I'd like to have available a simple function like "map => map * (__1.0__)" that you could just type a decimal number in and have it scale completely, in all 3 dimensions.

Can it be done?

[irons]

JUICE is not a geometry editor. Geometry is one of those things that is just annoying. For example, you have to know the area and origin of every polygon as part of its data in the map file. No thanks. If you want to scale a map, try the "Merge" effect for Chisel.

[herecomethej2000]

so it can be done with chisel?

[irons]

so it can be done with chisel?

If you want to scale a map, try the "Merge" effect for Chisel.

[screamingfool]

the arena of kop is exactly the same size as the original and the hallways are a good deal bigger, i think if it were any bigger getting around the map would get tedious

[herecomethej2000]

the arena of kop is exactly the same size as the original and the hallways are a good deal bigger, i think if it were any bigger getting around the map would get tedious

I'm not saying a whole lot just 10% or less just to make a diffrence in the way it feels.