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Post Nov 25th '07, 04:37

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irons
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Post Nov 25th '07, 07:14

While I'm always in favor of questioning authority, and generally in favor of challenging it when doing so will actually accomplish anything good, I think the answer to the questioning is pretty straightforward in this case (a series of warns lead to an auto-ban), and so any challenge unwarranted (and ultimately fruitless anyway since admins have godlike powers over their domain and there's nothing you can do about it but go somewhere else that suits you better).

If you want to question something, question whether posting easily researched questions should be a warnable offence (say, as Ryoko says, because it's tantamount to crapflooding) or not. I know on forums I admin I wouldn't do anything about it (in fact I think a recent newcomer to the Story Forum may be Nameless himself, judging by his post frequency and writing style), but then those forums all have different structures than here, so maybe a case could be made for the affirmative position (that it should be a warnable offence).

I'm interested to see the reasoning abilities of the Pfhorums population demonstrated here: how's about a civil debate (appeal to reason only, no appeal to emotion or authority) on this question? To reiterate: "should posting many easily-researched questions warrant an official warning, given that enough warns will result in a ban?" No matter if the outcome of this will have any effect on the way these forums are run; I'd just like to see how well you people can rationally argue (rather than just flame or whine). Maybe Ryoko and I should stay out of it, since we've both got well-established positions on the matter. Any takers?

Addendum: for those who don't understand the difference between an argument and a flamewar, I refer you to wiki for reference.

Further addendum: Nolan, it's "ad hominem", not "ad homonym". An ad hominem argument is an attack on a person (rather than that person's arguments/actions/etc); an ad homonym argument would be an attack on words that sound similar to the other person's words, or something like that... :-)
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Pfhorrest
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Post Nov 25th '07, 07:57

I think you're on the wrong board if you want a civil debate. And you don't need a wiki link to show the difference between an argument and a flame war. A flame war is what this will turn into, if people actually take your post seriously (fun), and an argument is something that will never happen on the pfhorums.

Really, there's nothing to discuss since only 2 people have been banned, and no one liked either of them. Seems to me like the system is working just fine.

Oh, and before I forget: TL;DR.
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Wrkncacnter

Post Nov 25th '07, 08:15

I'm not quite sure how this topic got onto Nazis.

Anyway, you probably should be banned for repeatingly posting very obvious questions. For one, he had a fair share of warnings. If I had posted a question, and got warned for it, maybe I'd think only that particular question was responsible. However, if I post another question and get warned, I'd think I would sto posting questions altogether if I feared the safety of my account. In this case I might then try and figure out what I was doing wrong.

Or maybe I might try combining my many multiply asked questions into one topic.

Regardless, I do not believe there was an abuse of power.
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Zott
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Post Nov 25th '07, 10:36

He broke the rules a lot. I don't think we will really miss him anyway.
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Post Nov 25th '07, 13:31

Amen to that.
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Lugas

Post Nov 25th '07, 16:10

Can we ban him from Simplici7y as well?
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thomaslivingston
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Post Nov 25th '07, 16:46

Tommy-TBone wrote:Can we ban him from Simplici7y as well?


Why? He hasn't really done anything wrong on S7.
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South Park, CO

Post Nov 25th '07, 17:29

Windbreaker wrote:Why? He hasn't really done anything wrong on S7 as far as I can tell.

There's not much you can do wrong on there other than uploading horrible files, but that is everyone's prerogative. No one has taken to rating-spamming so far, and luckily, the guy who can do something about it (switch) is someone with whom we are all in close contact.
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irons
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Post Nov 25th '07, 17:52

Pfhorrest wrote:Addendum: for those who don't understand the difference between an argument and a flamewar, I refer you to wiki for reference.

My hero.
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Post Nov 25th '07, 18:20

Pfhorrest wrote:how's about a civil debate...

OMG Pfhorrest = epstein!??
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epstein
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Post Nov 25th '07, 18:31

Anyway, you probably should be banned for repeatingly posting very obvious questions. For one, he had a fair share of warnings. If I had posted a question, and got warned for it, maybe I'd think only that particular question was responsible. However, if I post another question and get warned, I'd think I would sto posting questions altogether if I feared the safety of my account. In this case I might then try and figure out what I was doing wrong.
But see, I told him what he did wrong. I sent him a PM with very clearly-worded instructions. This was when he was at six warnings already, because generally speaking, when you're on the precipice of bannination, it's good adminship to draw that line. He crossed that line and I followed through with another warning, as I said I would.

"should posting many easily-researched questions warrant an official warning, given that enough warns will result in a ban?"


The problem with an "official" rule like that is, where is the line drawn? Is it based on the easiness of the research or the quantity of dumb questions? Besides, that's a pretty harsh rule to put in stone, because it will scare away people entirely. However, when many people have a problem with an issue, and someone keeps making all these crappy topics, I will step in, first with a reprimand and then some warnings. That's kind of what the system is for.
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RyokoTK
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Post Nov 25th '07, 18:32

An ad homonym is add (as in +).

EDIT (because it would be a waste to add another post): The only reason I can think of that you could get banned from S7 is if you loaded a map with a pornographic or otherwise inappropriate shapes patch, or if you said you loaded a map, script, etc. when in reality it was something else entirely.
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Post Nov 25th '07, 18:47

Dodopod wrote:The only reason I can think of that you could get banned from S7 is if you loaded a map with a pornographic or otherwise inappropriate shapes patch, or if you said you loaded a map, script, etc. when in reality it was something else entirely.

What's wrong with that?
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Wrkncacnter

Post Nov 25th '07, 19:06

RyokoTK wrote:The problem with an "official" rule like that is, where is the line drawn? Is it based on the easiness of the research or the quantity of dumb questions? Besides, that's a pretty harsh rule to put in stone, because it will scare away people entirely. However, when many people have a problem with an issue, and someone keeps making all these crappy topics, I will step in, first with a reprimand and then some warnings. That's kind of what the system is for.

I have an idea. The way my school does it is that if you are 5 minutes late you get a "mark". Get enough marks you get a punishment, which increases in severity each time you reach the limit of marks. The thing is, the most trouble you can get in for being 5 minutes late is an in-school suspension. After that, the school will further attempts to get you NOT to be late, but they will not use any listed punishments, maybe a call to the parents or counseling. You can earn marks other ways, the more serious being sexual harassment and smoking, ect. which will earn you marks faster, and possibly multiple marks per offense. But, the punishment doesn't stop at in-school suspension, it (can) go all the way to suspension. That way you wont get kicked out of school for being late a lot, but you still get in trouble and it still affects your grades the same way other infractions on rules do.

So basically, if you get enough warns but it's only for small stuff then the "max" punishment would be a reset of the post count or something, but if you troll/flame/spam/harass enough, then those same warns will have a "max" of banning.

Does that make sense, or am I not being clear enough?
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Post Nov 25th '07, 19:08

That's a dumb idea. Nobody cares about post count and the only issues worth my time to address are the ones severe enough to (potentially) earn a warning.
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RyokoTK
Saint Paul, MN

Post Nov 25th '07, 19:10

Dodopod wrote:The only reason I can think of that you could get banned from S7 is if you loaded a map with a pornographic or otherwise inappropriate shapes patch,

I guess we can't have Tempus Irae on S7 then...
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kineticturtle

Post Nov 25th '07, 19:13

As far as simplici7y is concerned... well, I'm not an admin there, but anyway. Releasing shitty maps, as Irons put it, is everyone's prerogative, and the only real crimes you could commit there are either votespamming or flooding the site with maps (example: if I released each map of a pack separately instead of in a pack).
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RyokoTK
Saint Paul, MN

Post Nov 26th '07, 06:33

RyokoTK wrote:As far as simplici7y is concerned... well, I'm not an admin there, but anyway.


Don't worry TK, neither am I. [MSmile]

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Switch
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Post Nov 26th '07, 10:10

Kinetic Turtle wrote:I guess we can't have Tempus Irae on S7 then...


Remember, if it's OLD, it's not obscene anymore.
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Post Nov 26th '07, 11:43

Tempus Irae has pron? Why was I not informed?
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thomaslivingston
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Post Nov 26th '07, 21:39

Tempus Irae contains women who run around naked on the secret level at the end of it, and I believe the pictures on the walls also reveal things like that. Keep in mind that the secret level is not only hard to get to but hard to beat aswell, it makes myst look like an arcade game :P, and if you want the naked women sprites then just open TI's shapes and scroll down in the bob collection.
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Shadowbreaker
Melbourne, Victoria

Post Nov 26th '07, 21:40

Tommy-TBone wrote:Tempus Irae has pron? Why was I not informed?



Goats weren't involved, you may rest now.
davidwood15
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Post Nov 27th '07, 00:10

and if you want the naked women sprites then just open TI's shapes and scroll down in the bob collection.


But where's the fun in that?

And the puzzles don't make Myst look like an arcade game. Are you kidding? Unlike Marathon, Myst can have any puzzle it wants, Marathon is pretty limited, without LUA (like Tempus Irae was made), you have switches, lights, liquids and platforms to make puzzles. Once you know what to look for, and figure out what to do, you're pretty good off.
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Post Dec 21st '07, 21:37

KARMA NOLAN wrote:Its not like the "pfhorums administration" above the red spectrum pack gave that away at all.... Also if one does not so much as question authority wouldn't we just end up building a dictator such as Adolf? Of course a Germanic Dictator and a forum administrator are in two different leagues but the same principle applies.If we are to stand idly while those with some form of power abuse their power wouldn't we just be encouraging degeneration? why not pack our bags and find a nice cave to live in or frolic in the nude without a care??


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Agreeing out of fear of something you do not understand is one other thing in entirety.Scapegoating Jews because of there apparent success, and lack of responsibility for the blame distributed after a war is something completely different. Many feared Adolf due to the mysterious disappearance of political rivals,Jew's,Gypsies,Etc. I agree that the Germans had a general idea of the genocide happening in Europe, but i doubt they agreed with it. Also Ryo i wasn't targeting you, as i don't have enough experience on these boards to know of any bans you have put on others, im just putting the idea out there.

ugh the ad homonyms....[/quote]


Wow. This is.... irrelevant.

Dude, feel free to revolt IRL--but while on the forums, i'd recommend listening to the guys in power. ;)

And why the hell are you people talking about Nazi's all of a sudden? Isn't this supposed to be about some guy without a name (irony) being banned?
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