3D game engine that works like marathon

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3D game engine that works like marathon

Post Sep 28th '18, 22:36

I want to talk about making a 3D game engine that works like marathon. The only idea I have is 3D shapes that are independent from one another can occupy the same space and are linked together on the sides only to form a map. Maybe I can do this with separate bsp trees for each 3D shape. I know I need a way to split up a wall so differently sized 3D shapes can link with no problems.
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Post Sep 29th '18, 18:18

Pfhorrest wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_rendering


Thanks.
I should start with portal rendering then try to find a way to keep marathons 5D space.
Qweasy908

Post Sep 29th '18, 21:23

Portal rendering will (or can) give you 5D space right off the bat. Marathon's 5D space is a consequence of its portal rendering method.
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Pfhorrest
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Post Apr 1st '19, 17:04

Here's a good example for how to build that kind of an engine:

https://youtu.be/HQYsFshbkYw

I know the title says "Doom-style Engine" but it is really a Build-Style engine, using portals an enabling for overlapping sectors, as is done in Duke Nukem 3D and Marathon.
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Marscaleb

Post Apr 11th '19, 13:35

Marscaleb wrote:Here's a good example for how to build that kind of an engine:

https://youtu.be/HQYsFshbkYw

I know the title says "Doom-style Engine" but it is really a Build-Style engine, using portals an enabling for overlapping sectors, as is done in Duke Nukem 3D and Marathon.


Have you read Fabian Sanglards explanation of how the Build Engine works?

http://fabiensanglard.net/duke3d/build_ ... ernals.php

I want to know more how Marathon works, but there's not that much information on it and reading source code is all I've got.
Qweasy908

Post Apr 13th '19, 13:52

Marscaleb wrote:Here's a good example for how to build that kind of an engine:

https://youtu.be/HQYsFshbkYw

I know the title says "Doom-style Engine" but it is really a Build-Style engine, using portals an enabling for overlapping sectors, as is done in Duke Nukem 3D and Marathon.


I think the rooms over rooms and 5D space in Build was actually done by cheating: Build has invisible portals that teleport you elsewhere in the map for most "overlapping" sectors. All swimmable liquids in Build use this behaviour and sometimes in certain areas, you can see the bottom of a vent or other shaft you fall down (in Eduke32, which has higher look limits) but it disappears when you get close. That's you passing through the portal into a separate part of the map.

It's also how in Hotel Hell in episode 3, you can blow open the wall of a rooftop swimming pool and swim through it up out of a broken toilet on the ground floor with no height changes.

Other than that, I'd like to know how Doom connects its polygons compared to Marathon. As Build is a portal renderer, does it connect its ones the same as Marathon i.e any lines (that's linedefs for id Tech 1 engine map makers) that are shared by two polygons become a portal when filled? Marathon's is the easiest method (if I interpret it correctly) but what do the other two do?
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