i have done better than all those maps previously mentioned, but i still think they're pretty good
-JC- wrote:Maybe there are mapping standards. If you think a map is crap well consider that if TK, irons, KT, etc. are all pro mappers and if thats the best they can do then thats the best a map can be?
Which also means that other people thinking our maps are good doesn't make it so, either.Just because you think the pack is a piece of shit well that doesn't make it so.
You can't just walk around in single player and say it sucks.
This is simply not a fair angle of attack. While it is really tempting to say something like this (and God knows, I do it in my head all the time), applying a philosophy like this means that, in order to judge anything in life, you have to be able to do it--and, in fact, you have to do it extremely well. I certainly know bad music when I hear it, and I'm not really a musician. I know bad food when I taste it, and I'm no cook. Some people may not be mappers, and may have really stupid opinions about maps, but let's put it this way: in the end, it is the players, and not the mappers, who really determine the popularity, and in one way, the goodness, of a map.Personally I'd like to see you do any better
RS and underworld are probably the best map packs ever made.
Self-pwnage!! Just kidding. Thanks for your support. But I also like to try to be fair and impartial sometimes. On the other hand, my pride as a mapper is at stake when someone says...Even if it is your opinion you didn't really have good proof or backup as i see it.
xyfbzi wrote:i have done better than all those maps previously mentioned
People said the same thing about Coriolis for a long time, and it's simply not true. It's distinctly possible that someone will do better than RS, and I'm interested in what that will be. At this point I can't really say there's a lot that is actually on par with RS overall -- but that was the same three years ago with Coriolis.Maybe there are mapping standards. If you think a map is crap well consider that if TK, irons, KT, etc. are all pro mappers and if thats the best they can do then thats the best a map can be?
Just because you think the pack is a piece of shit well that doesn't make it so.
Which also means that other people thinking our maps are good doesn't make it so, either.
I can, and I do, and usually I'm on the ball. But I have a lot of experience under my belt; I don't think most people do. And even then, yes, there are a lot of hidden variables that just don't show up in single player. It's not always easy to predict what's good or bad, what's fun or not fun. I didn't think a map like Where Dragons Rule would be fun -- though maybe that's cause I made it, and I'm pessimistic -- but people host it all the time, so it must be pretty good.You can't just walk around in single player and say it sucks.
RS and underworld are probably the best map packs ever made.
-JC- wrote:consider that if TK, irons, KT, etc. are all pro mappers
Treellama wrote:Because they all get paid to make maps?
Great maps need to be technically good AND fun.
Great food needs to be made according to recipes, too.
I put a lot more weight in whether I have fun while playing a map than technical specifics.
RyokoTK wrote:To me, a map that's truly great has to be technically good... as well as being very fun.
i see nothing wrong with my maps. they are perfect in all respects.
my reason is that i haven't heard anything wrong with them. you haven't substantiated your claim that they're not.
I don't like this level at all, but I won't really say why, since that would take a long time and about 80 people would insist that I was wrong. However, I would like to note that your weapon and item placement is crap. You have 23 guns in a level with 400+ polygons. And, what's more, you made all ammunition spawn in random locations. There is no ammo at the beginning of a game, and even when it's there, it's in random places that don't make sense. "Yeah, that shotgun shell works great in the middle of a huge rectangular polygon." Why do you have nearly twice as many scenery objects as you have weapons? And most of those are in really stupid places, anyway. This map is probably too big for 8 players, and it doesn't have enough weapons or ammunition for 4.
but the first post didn't have that. The one where i expected a review. In fact, if i post anything here, and you feel the need, then post your comments.
RyokoTK wrote:some kind of half-assed social engineering
Viceroy 27 wrote:You guys aren't like the cream of a crop.
Who are the good mappers?xyfbiz, your maps aren't good either, but if you practice and learn from people that actually ARE GOOD at mapping then you will get better!
Maybe you people should grow up some day.
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