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Unparalleled in the history of the universe

Posted: Sep 22nd '20, 01:57
by HelviusRufus
There seems to be a new look to the Pfhorums. New looks happen all the time, but this one is different.
Everything is still readable. Everything is where it was before. Everything is doable as it was before.
You don't have to learn a lot o new procedures to use it. You don't have to go around looking for where (...) was moved to.
Just like Marathon, it always gets better.
Tres clamores for those who wrought this wonder.

Re: Unparalleled in the history of the universe

Posted: Sep 22nd '20, 21:53
by ravenshining
Ehh... I find myself having to squint to see the tiny text underneath the giant bright blue headings, and I really miss the alternating black/dark grey backgrounds that made the organisation immediately clear. The layout is not as bad as it was at certain points in its early history, but it's a step backward for me.

Or, at least that's been my impression thus far. I pulled up the previous iteration on archive.org to compare, and... I guess the text isn't actually smaller? It feels like it because I'm looking for grey text on a grey background immediately next to a bright blue rectangle.

It looks like there are some new features now I guess? I take it someone wanted them and that's why it changed, so, great for them.

Re: Unparalleled in the history of the universe

Posted: Sep 23rd '20, 23:08
by The Man
Two big reasons, if I had to hazard guesses:
  1. Security. Never a good idea to be running old, unpatched versions of software that are probably not even supported any longer.
  2. Not a complete nightmare to navigate on mobile devices.
There are things about the style I definitely liked better in the old version, but I think the text just seems smaller because it’s a full-width design, which always makes text seem smaller IME. On the plus side, it runs, and patching security vulnerabilities is a net plus.

Re: Unparalleled in the history of the universe

Posted: Sep 24th '20, 05:07
by ravenshining
  • When zoomed so the same number of topics appear on the screen, the text on the new version is 13% smaller, because there's more wasted space between lines.
  • There's less hinting between topics. Two iterations ago, there was this subtle 3D effect so things jumped out at you, even if it was only 2 pixels thick. The previous iteration had alternating light-and-dark bands between each topic. This one just has an invisible 1 pixel black line, which I can only tell is there if I put my face right up to the monitor, zoom in on a screenshot, or turn my gamma down to 1.0.
  • The previous versions also had post titles and user names either in different columns or in different colours.
Most of those aren't too bad on their own, but a lot of little things add up to decreased readability.

But sure, security is good I guess. And reading actual posts is fine. Perusing topics legibly would be a problem if this place was active, but it's not really.

Re: Unparalleled in the history of the universe

Posted: Sep 24th '20, 14:08
by HelviusRufus
"But sure, security is good I guess."

Indeed, no more do I see the red Not Secure warnin when logginin

Re: Unparalleled in the history of the universe

Posted: Sep 27th '20, 18:46
by Zott
ravenshining wrote: Sep 24th '20, 05:07
  • There's less hinting between topics. Two iterations ago, there was this subtle 3D effect so things jumped out at you, even if it was only 2 pixels thick. The previous iteration had alternating light-and-dark bands between each topic. This one just has an invisible 1 pixel black line, which I can only tell is there if I put my face right up to the monitor, zoom in on a screenshot, or turn my gamma down to 1.0.
I agree that the one pixel line isn't enough for me. I look at the topic name, and then I look to the right to find the last post date, and I can easily move +/- 1 row.